Hmm...Mahabharatha padicha veetla sanda varumnu solva, so...take care :)

reading Ramayana currently with k, will post my thoughts on the same (myth or not).

 

Hey Bus,

I am not going to talk to you :), bcoz someone once said reading the Mahabharat makes you want to fight :)

Anyway, I personally think it is fact upto an extent. There might be something like Ramayan and Mahabharat that might have occured. Plus they did find some kind of bridge between India/Srilanka

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=11879&goto=nextnewest


I think it is a bit exaggerated, maybe by the translators, rishis, word of mouth, some brains tried to make the tale a bit larger than life like
1. hi-tech weapons.
2. Tails encompassing entire islands.
3. Bringing the whole mountain on shoulders

Plus they want children to learn a "good" way of life, like Krishna reciting Bhagwat Gita, giving us direction on how to live life.

Then I also do not believe any characters were incarnations of God. I think they lived like us, lived life in a certain way and are admired and respected because of that. Maybe we should follow their path. Maybe we can blaze our own path :)

K

 

RS... thanx for the sandai warning...will take care...


K ...interesting thoughts and link... as i said before I also think there is some fact in both Ramyanana and Mahabharata. How much of it has been changed/manipulated over the years is a valid question.

After your mention of hi tech weapons I got to do some more searching online and read this article...very interesting...it defends the theory that both epics are real and also that the super power astras (Brahmaastra, Agniastra etc) were infact real and makes a comparison to modern day weapons.

http://www.maheronline.org/religion/Mahabharat-myth-or-legacy.asp

Also interesting point that u you do not agree to the characters being incarnations of Gods or the fact that they had super human qualities. Then how do we explain the 100 sons of Gandhari, or the special quality each character possesses becoz of which slaying them was difficult (eg. Jarasandh had be split apart and thrown in opposite directions). Do u then say they were just given these qualities to intensify the drama?

 

I think qualities to intensify the drama. An epic is not good if it is not larger than life ? maybe ?

I am not ready to disregard the notion that there might have been an advanced Hindu Civilization, I read the link you sent, what I dont understand is if they could get nukes, laser etc. Why use the chariot with horses as mode of transportation (maybe it was not).
Why not write the epic down? It was carried by word of mouth for centuries before someone wrote it.

It might have been the most advanced civilization in its time (just by looking @ geography, where would you get a better climate, other than the tropics and equator) Egyption, Indus, Greek.

Another question is how did this civilization get lost? 5000 years BC is not that long ago.

Some how I think, some big incidents/war etc occured with @ that time. But in the later years, some people added a religious twist to it to make people believe so that so much blood shed will not occur in the future. But still history sometimes repeats itself.

 

I think that it is myth. It is story only and it is better for us to keep them in form of story and not in reality. Here i am giving certain incidences in support of my thought.


The peoples at that time were very sophisticated. As for example when bheem and arjun broght draupadi and told here mother that we brought certain thing. then kunta told withoug seeing that devide in five parts. Problem starts from now. We at this time thinks that these words can be reversible. Kunta may say sorry and not devide draupadi between five. It is not necessary whatever you told must be accepted , in certain cases it should have reversible characteristics also. But this is not happening here this means that they were sophisticated and we learn to be sophisticated from these types of story. What we learn from this incidence. Will we use this incidence as a refrence? No definately no, and one who uses such word by word follow ups will be considered as a mental ill or mad. this evidence doen't match with our society.

And the second case udhisthir spoke lie at the mahabharat war that ashwathama died. My question is why udhishthir reversed his styavadi characteristic at this time and why this flexibility is not seen in kunta-draupadi case?

You may know the procedure the ashwamedh yagna in which the horse is finally sacrificed. the fat of the hourse is isolated from the skin. it is burnt in the fire on yagna and the smell is inhaled by the king in order to be free from sin. My question is to sacrifice a horse is itself is sin. So what are they doing incresing sin or decresing sin? this procedure of ashwamedh yagna is written in ramayana.

At the time of rajsuya yagna, shree krishna and arjun went in the forest to collect animals to sacrifice in yagna. As per you image of shree krishna, Can he do such thing or tell arjun to do such things.

So there are many more contraversies there so let keep them story and take anand from reading such stories rather then beliving it a reality.

 

Hello everyone,let me ask you this...if Greek's have various temples dated back to 5000bc and have jewelry,pottery etc to show in their museums dated 5000 bc then why can not Ramayan be true which is believed to be 5000 year old.Existence of the findings, which is very proudly displayed by Greek Archaeological museum proves lifestyle and very lavish life ,may i add,proves that people with great style,brains lived then.If that can be true then why not Ramayan.

 

every myth has a basis in reality. So for instance maybe this great war did actually happen?

 

Yes it did happen. The Mahabharata war was nothing but the Aryan invasion. That's why no one wants to give the date of the Mahabharata and the range is more than 2200 years. look at the accuracy of ever fact in the story - how many wives, children each one had, the description of the strength of the armies etc. But ask for the date and everyone shakes their head.

 

Hi idol worshipping idiots,Mahabharatha and krishna are myths.Wait for that day,Lord ganesha ,krishna or any other foister will not come.Then shall he come with all the glory and u bloody idol worshippers will be forsaken.Have a nice trip to ....

 

Krishna is God? He could have willed the Kauravas defeat just by thought no need for a battle.Being God he should not have used vice and cunning to disarm Karna of his kawach and kundal. So it is all fiction. Why did Shiva not bring back Ganesha to life instead of searching of an elephant head? God has supernatural power. No need to destroy his beautiful creation "elephant" to resurrect his son Ganesha. Why not use the original head that he cut off instead of an elephant head. This is hilarious.............

 

Well you cannot make circular arguments like how can that be a myth if Lord Krishna.... etc. etc. The point is that it may be a highly exaggerated version of some historical truth. Its definitely not as old as 5000 bc as its written in classical sanskrit and even vedic sanskrit is not that old. Additionally all those weapons were imaginations of science fiction writers of the day (just like they do today). A majority of Indians would like to believe them real to have some sense of superiority to a vastly more sophisticated west (in the present day). In many ways (if not all) our glorious past (in philosophy, language, poetry and some level of mathematics but not engineering) holds us back.

 

Mahabharata cannot be aryan invasion., cuz, the specific division of class into brahmin, kshatriya, vaishya and shudra came only a few years(perhaps even centuries) after the aryan established themselves...(the 4 vedas had to be writte... etc..... how da vedas came into being is a seperate debate on its own, am sure....). So, technically Mahabharata has to be ages after the aryan invasion. Also, i remember hearing fmr somewhr dat mahabarat's time was a diffferent yuga (thretha yuga if am correct....) and each yuga's supposed to have lased a few lakh (or was it million) years...
This wud totally contrast wit the very evolution of da entire human specis..(Homo sapien)

Although am unbiased, i really am at a loss to understand if da entire thing, ramayana inclusive was a fact or fiction...

If someone's got an answer to my qn, pls reply to sudersans260686@gmail.com

thankx

 

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It is not possible to etch the many characters of Mahabharata so clearly in fiction. Human imagination can't do a 'screenplay' of such a magnum opus. To make a single good movie itself the script writers and directors slog very hard, imagine a movie as big as Mahabharata(100,000 slokas) !

 

@Ananda I agree with you. Nobody would write 1lakh slokas of fiction and expect people to read it, and with all the intricate details like listing lineages, having Krishna preach to Arjuna during the middle of the war (for 700 slokas) - wouldn't that make it the most boring fiction ever ? Sages like Veda Vyasa were great ascetics and well-wishers - and they always spoke the truth (something we don't quite see nowadays)! Mahabharata and Ramayana are both history, so did were all the other avatars during their respective yugas.

 

What is Fiction it is
99.999999999% fact and rest is imagination, not imagination also is would be improvisation of existing thing

can anybody out here tell me any complete imaginary thing
ans is no

fashion also changes in bits n pics
bell bottom, elephant, straight tight, boot-cut are nothing but 0.0000001 % improvisation nothing compete new
research proves that human mind can not think unimaginable
now a days we can see when rocket goes up it creates cloud of smoke, makes thundering sound
we don't know how alien space ships goes up
if we consider that the Ramayana or Mahabharata are written in 300 or 5000 or say 800 BC then a man who never know what is plane, never heard of it, how can he describe exactly how a plane goes up in the air????? strange it is very strange

please play the game of imagining something unimaginable u will come to know

 

What I think is its real. Might be a bit exaggerated by the writer but it has to be true because there are so many connected links between Ramayan and Mahabharat that a writer cannot just by imagination connect so many links together to fit in the exact time-line.Its our great history.

I think there is a need for a major archeological search to bring it to notice to the world.

 

Absolutely real there are lot of archeological evidences to prove both Ramayan and Mahabharata if you do a deep study.There were many Palaces and monuments built by ancient kings at time of Ramayan and Mahabharata which was later occupied by the Mughal kings after 1152 A.D.

 

For those who want to know more about Ancient Indian Dynasties please go here

http://chiraan.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/rajvrittant-list-of-kings-after-mahabharata-war/comment-page-1/#comment-17712

Her is the ist of kings before Mahabharata......

Ikshvaku is the son of Vaivasvata Manu. (6000B.C)
Kukshi is the son of Ikshvaku
Vikukshi is the son of Kukshi
Bana is the son of Vikukshi
Anaranya is the son of Bana
Prithu is the son of Anaranya
Trishanku is the son of Prithu
Dhundhumara is the son of Trishanku
Yuvanashva is the son of Dhundhumara
Mandhata is the son of Yuvanashva
Susandhi is the son of Mandhata
Dhruvasandhi and Presenajit are the sons of Susandhi
Bharata is the son of Dhruvasandhi
Bahu (Asita) is the son of Bharata
Sagara is the son of Bahu
Asamanja is the son of Sagara
Amsumanta (Ansuman) is the son of Asamanja
Dileepa is the son of Amsumanta
Bhagiratha is the son of Dileepa
Kakustha is the son of Bhagiratha

Raghu is the son of Kakushta. The clan of Raghuvamsha started with Raghu
Pravriddha is the sone of Raghu
Shankhana is the son of Pravriddha
Sudarshana is the son of Shankhana
Agnivarna is the son of Sudarshana
Shighra is the son of Agnivarna
Maru is the son of Shighra
Prashushruka is the son of Maru
Ambarisha is the son of Prashushruka
Nahusha is the son of Ambarisha
Yayati is the son of Nahusha
Nabhaga is the son of Yayati
Aja is the son of Nabhaga

Dasharatha is the son of Aja
Rama(5114B.C), Lakshmana, Bharata and Shatrughna are the sons of Dasaratha

Lava and Kusha are the sons of Rama.

The Puranas provide a genealogical list from Kusha to Brihadbala, who was killed by Abhimanyu in the Mahabharata war. This list is corroborated by the Raghuvamsha till Agnivarna.

Atithi, the son of Kusha
Nishadha, the son of Atithi
Nala, the son of Nishadha
Nabhas, the son of Nala
Pundarika, the son Nabhas
Kshemadhanvan, the son of Pundarika
Devanika, the son of Kshemadhanvan
Ahinagu, the son of Davanika
Paripatra, the son of Ahinagu
Dala (or Bala), the son of Ahinagu
Uktha, the son of Dala
Vajranabha, the son of Uktha
Shankhana, the son of Vajranabha
Vyushitashva, the son of Shankhana
Vishvasaha, the son of Vyushitashva
Hiranyanabha, the son of Vishvasaha
Pushya, the son of Hiranyanabha
Dhruvasandhi, the son of Pushya
Agnivarna, the son of Dhruvasandhi
Shighra, the son of Agnivarna

Maru, the son of Shighra
Prasushruta, the son of Maru
Susandhi, the son of Prasushruta
Amarsha and Sahasvant, the sons of Susandhi
Vishrutavant, the son of Amarsha
Brihadbala, the son of Vishrutavant.

C) Bharatha (3250B.C)the son of Dushyantha is from 'Puru Vamsha'.
6th column is Puru Vamsha

 

I think India is still having the colonial hangover which is evident from NCERT history text books.The history before the period of Manu vaivatsya and Ikshvaku can be argued as mythology but since then this is real history which starts with the Shatriya Suryavnshi and Chandravanshi dynasties of Kosala and Prayag which ruled since 8000 BC.Here is complete list of 134 kings of Ayodhya,the capital of Kosala since Ikshvaku.

For more info on solar dynasty kings go here.

http://www.ancientindiankings.blogspot.com/

 

I don't know whether Mahabharat is fact or fiction. Let me explain what everyone thinks about.

The central point of Mahabharat is Dharma. But It is hard to find any Dharma in Mahabharata. Both Pandavas and Kauravas have too many glitches. Mahabharat contains selflsh goals. 4 million people are dead by bloodshed. Its a tit for tat Style. But no Dharma. All the pandavas wants is to occupy hastinapur throne in any way. After Kurukshetra war, they have enjoyed hastinapur throne for 37 years with luxurious life. We can clearly see that 12 of the people survived in kurukshetra, which are 5pandavas,krishna,ashwatthama,kripacharya,yuyutsu,kritivarma,vrishakethu,satyaki. So no one remains on the kauravas side except vrishakethu and yuyutsu. Vrishakethu was the son of karna and yuyutsu was the son of Dritarashtra,but he is on the pandavas side. What happened in kurukshetra is bloodshed, nothing more. pandavas didn't hesitate to kill anyone including their grandsire,Guru(teacher) and their brothers(kauravas). After the war the line is cleared for them (because no one remains on the dritarashtra side to occupy the throne of hastinapur). So they can enjoy the throne for themself and their children and their grand children so on. When coming to dharma and adharma, why not krishna warned both pandavas and kauravas to remain silent, why bloodshed. The problem can be solved in a good way , without bloody killings.

By Seeing mahabharat, everyone observes that how to do tit for tat. There is no morale,no peace,nothing greatness in this epic.

Instead Read Ramayana. Somehow It gives u peace,enthusiasm,love,kindness,greatness,strongness etc....

by
A true indian

 

IDOL worshiping .... ! Its Just a statement other people give to show there god as superior. For you kind information..... YES we are IDOL worshipers.......... we do worship idol ......... Infact if you show a stone ......I would worship that...... because GOD is into me........Everything is see is GOD ..........EVERYTHING I touch is GOD ...... We never discriminated other GODs which is a frequent practice in Christian Community. I just try to see the GOD in the IDOL i worship ... GOD is everywhere ..FAITH RULES THE WORLD.

 

OK sir, if u think god is very where.. then y do u need a statue to pray.. hey i do agree we christian discriminated other so called god's.. bcos none of ur gods existence is proved according to history.. u all like creating new gods everyday according ur own convenience.. and doing all kinds of crazy pooja.. which is as equal to doing black magic.
"Serve a living a god.. who died on the cross for ur sins and mine & resurrected from the tomb" and who is proven himself to people who really believe in him..... choose wisely brother... hell is really and so is jesus who can save u from going there...... and u know the best part even i used to be a dumb idol worshiper like u....

 

Its hilarious to do idol worshiping of a cross! or jesus statue as well.
Stop worshiping the messenger and see above.
There are so much evidence to see how christ idea was created from the hinduism.

JESUS WILL NOT SAVE YOU OR ANYONE.
SAVE YOURSELF YOU FOOL.That is the preaching.

 

actually both Ramayana and mahabharata are only folk fores. its like tempest of Sheakshpear...
there is no one as God named krishna etc ..just characters of an epic drama. Just like Veeru of sholey yar

 

hey there! it is for you christians, if jesus is your god, then when he was getting nailed to the cross he narrated these golden words. " o lord please forgive them, because they don't know what they are doing " kindly tell me to which god he was referring to. ( that god is already described in bhagvad gita )

 

read bilble ,,quran... you will be guided to d truth..

 

gadhön jinko interest ho padho jinko na ho khujate raho

 

Mahabharat was a family feud between cousins. Does it matter whether it is fact or fiction? What is important that from the Mahabharat we have the Bhagvad Gita which is wonderful instructions of our duties, functions and respect for God. Both Ramays and Gita point towards being fiction. We should ask questions like: Did Karna really come down to earth to give ann daan?(Mahabharat). Could animals speak? Can stones float in water? Did Hanuman carry the mountain or Krishna hold the mountain with his tiny fingure? These are the dressings of an epic. Nonetheless, let us take the good lessons rather than wasting our time debating whether these great epics are fact or fiction.

 

This is a scientific proof to prove Mahabharat actually is REAL.

http://sathyavaadi.tripod.com/truthisgod/papers/020406.htm

hope it helps you all....

 

ybrao a donkey has written something on Valmiki Ramayana and Vyasa Mahabharata with proof from those books. He is not a Christian Missionary. If interested , you may see them at THESE THINGS NOBODY ELSE WILL PROBABLY WRITE because there will be no readers. And there will be banging.. You can also search from Sanskrita Vyasa and English Mahabharatas (Ganguli) separately.

 

I don't know who this guy identified himself as Anonymous comes blaming other religion.

I have read the Bible where it has been told that God himself has told [According to Bible] that no idol worship is encouraged and true christian shuld worship only the true God and not any forms of things in the world which is believed to be created by God himself.

As per that beleief why you Christians go worshipping Mary mother's statue, jesus' status while Jesus himself was a human and he never told people to worship him but the true God.

First read the Bible clearly to understand the preaching given by Jesus then pose yourself as a apt person to throw ideas on saving people.

None of the religious books clearly tell about God. Everything is being written by humans who lived in various ages. The world itslf has been a mystery of how it even originated. Ok, there is some strong power that drives us across life and we live over.

Its each one's belief to go in specific paths. If we find the inner human quality of ourselves - as all religions tell, Love is the best of all human quality making this world survive, we should better try to be real human than fighting shit on each other over these issues.

Criticize other's ideas to push in your's is not encouraged in any releigious beliefs. First we should know that. It only makes one a good person to share his ideas with others.

- Ganesh [Trying to be Human]

 

For the information of Shri Ganesh: Sanskrit Valmiki Ramayana and Sanskrit Mahabharata have not encouraged idol worship. Idol worship seems to have developed later. Between 600 BC and 600A.D. there may be some traces of idol worship. But actual idol worship seems to have started after Adi Shankaracharya. But Advaita Vedanta, influenced by sAnkhya philosophy stresses on the unity of the individual within and individual outside, rather than idol worship. Sankaracharya starting Sarada pItham at Sringeri seems to be later additions by latter Sankaracharyas in the succession hierarchy. We need not find much fault with idol worship. Just as we respect the photo of Washington or Lincoln, we can also revere phots and statues. But idol worship carried to extremes results in agnANAM i.e. ignorance. When a person progresses in the path of self-realisation, he becomes an atheist, because knowledge opens our eyes to realities. Lowest in the rung is idol worship (saguna), and when people get enough ability to study subjects with concentration nirguNa studies becomes easy. There is no question of Christianity or Hinduism being superior or inferior. The concept of God itself becomes questionable in the light of anthropological evolutions of the homosapiens.

 

Today, I have posted a discussion on Saraswati River at my mahabharata blog: mahabharatayb.blogspot.com. If interested, readers of this blog may probably read that also. Request to the webmaster of this blog: You can delete this comment if you consider I am spamming. Anyway, I request you at least, to read it, before deleting my comment. Even one reader is a great gift to me.

 

For all those so called Christians, Christianity is based on a lot of cult rituals incorporated by the Romans. Christ never said he was god. He said that he was only the messenger of god! Who did he cry out to when he was nailed to the cross?? He cried to his father (all our father), the one god we all worship across all religions. You christians worship an Idol too, the Idol of Jesus nailed to a cross!! Remember that! Jesus's message has been perverted by the Roman Catholic Vatican to their own benefit.

 

It can only be a myth. Check some facts.

Most people think that Mahabharata dates back to around 2500 BC ( 4500 yrs back). Around that time world population was around 2 crores and India's population, if we compare the area which is now India, was aroud 50 lakh people.

Now India's population is around 120 crore people. That means the population of the same area was around 240 times less than what exists today.

Today the population of Hastinapur (near Meerut )is around 24000 people. Hence 4500 back the population should have been around 100 people.

Since it is just not possible the measure the exact population at that time, let us increase it by 10 times to take it as 1000. That means around 200 families having around 200 adults.

If 80% people work and pay for around 20% people who work for the king that means there were aound 40 people working for the king. Assuming all were part of his army then the question is how big a king was he who commands an army of 40 people.

I have deliberately not given any links to my assumptions of 50 lakh population of the area that is India today and also that the Mahabharata took place around 2500BC.

I think it would be good if do some research of our own. ( LOL)

 

The Mahabharata is a purely 1000% true history because scientists at the NASA in collaboration with the other astronomers and scientists of many other countries verified all the planetary positions and star positions given in detail in the GITA PRESS, GORAKHPUR version of the MAHABHARATA and found all the details penned down in the Gita press Gorakhpur version to be accurately correct. The correct dating of the MAHABHARATA WAR at Kurukshetra was found to be 5776 B.C.

 

1 . could u give some details of the research done by NASA on this subject. I think NASA has better things to do then validating some fictional stories.

2. It is said that Krishna was born in Dwapar Yug which happened some 864000 years back.

So u mean to say that Krishna was not born in Dwapar Yug and we were all along told a big lie that Ram was born in Treta Yug and Krishna in Dwapar Yug.

 

Another thing if i today give some details of star positions for my fictional story and subsequently it is found that those star positions were correct some 5000 years back does it mean my fictional story was a reality.

We have seen in so many historical novels where some facts are true but story is totally
fictional. By looking at some facts which may be true we can not say that the story was true.

Another point in my earlear post I had mentioned that even if the story was true it was that of a very small king having an army of may be 200 to 250 men. Which was not what is described as big king having a big army

Small kings small armies but grand story. Most likely fictional

 

I was also skeptical on the historic part of Mahabharata. But after some research on the net, I am fully convinced. Mahabharata is history and no doubt about that. Recently I was amazed reading this blog "www.mahabharathascience.blogspot.com" which carries lot of information proving mahabharata really happened.

 

The author of the blog has this to say:

Sthithapragnan said...

THAAAANKS for all those who have registered their comments.

Many of them had asked for the source of information I had gathered. I haven't stored the web pages/addresses of certain information which I had gathered from the net. I will soon recollect it and provide them as a link for people who want to research on this. I had gathered certain information from "sanskrit books" also and a major part by reading the English Translation written by the honourable Mr. Ganguly and his team.

Can u really rely on such blogs which do not give any references for their theories. It is at best his opinion.

What is so scientific about it if it is just an opinion.

 

Just read the blog " mahabharathascience.blogspot.com" and it says that 160 crore people died in Mahabharata war which happened some 5000 years ago.

Do u really think that the population of the earth was more than 160 crores 5000 years ago?

Just do some research yourself and u will realise that there is nothing scientific about this statement.

At no time before 20th century the world population was over 160 crores.

This is just spreading myth and giving it a garb of science.

 

Ruins of DWARAKA had found under the sea ,4 miles away from gujarath's western shore.

 

Can u really rely on such blogs which do not give any references for their theories. It is at best his opinion.

What is so scientific about it if it is just an opinion.

I am closely following that blog, the author has subsequently provided lot of references. The blog brings in the "Alien concept" which is scientifically possible and convincing. also the blog carries a lot of archeological and astronomical evidences too. What other proof do you want ? In that way can you prove the bible ? why do you call it as history ? why cant u call bible a myth ?

 

This a myth.. A complete myth.. Those ppl who were treated as 'sage' are just the ppl who had turned psychos by just sitting idly underneath the tree.. This caused into their mind, a series of hallucinations and they wrote down some STORY(a story which is worth their jumbled thoughts of a tree-sitting lifetime) and that's called Mahabharat or whatever..
However i believe all religions as one uni-religion as they all believe in one thing, ultimately, one god, the almighty. He's referred with different names accordingly to their religion (the myth to make their category as religion). I believe their GODs just one UNKNOWN POWER, the 'ALMIGHTY' who's running the universe(cause you never know how big is the universe and you still don't know the traits of universe completely with a solid reason, even NASA or whatever have failed to explain it to the core). That's the REALITY..

 

Hi Many Anonymous
i) Some say Mahabharat/ Ramayana was fiction by some strange idiot sages.
ii) Some said that Krishna and Rama are fiction.
iii) Some said Hindus are idol worshipper and believe in wrong gods.

Answer of Anonymous to them:
i) Mahabharat and Ramayana is the work of the highest intellectual people. Just read the way sanskrit is written. No country has this kind of literature (in their language). This all is written during an era when people (from your country) were living in dark agess. Were saving life and doing hunting. While people in India were so involved that we have agriculture and we perfected the art of food (thats why our vegetarian food is even tasty than your non-veg steak). Also, our Ayurveda was so advance that your surgeon come and learn some technique of nose grafting. You people steal our ideas. It was the Mughal and British era when we live for 800 years of suppression. I can bet if you have to live, you would have even lost your mind. But still India has kept its culture. Al though we havelost many things our pride, our glory and thanks to britishers we are still divided. Mahabharat or Ramayana is fiction or not, but they teach so many valuable lesson. They teach how a son, brother.,wife, king should act. Also, they teach that all path leads to god.. Not like other religion who say they are the exclusive way. Second, they teach that Human is more powerful to god (as we are God).

ii) I cann't prove that Ram is not fiction, because Muslim rulers destroyed each evidence. But the thing is that Ramayana was written by Vyas, who without having the map of India or other stuff, described each places correctly and how amazingly, a bridge like coral was there between Lanka and India. Second for Krishna go to Kurukshetra and still there are some things in museum which can prove. (although many thigns looted by Mughals and Britishers). Second there was a city found flooded near gujarat (the place where Dwarka should be) and it is explained in Mahabharata that after Krishna die, Dwarka was flooded by sea as sea claim the land which was given to Krishna.

iii) We worship everything because we believe that God is nature and it is created from himself (as energy should conserve, so scientific). we are manifested from him and have a part of him. So, we are having same power as he has. The only thing is that we are illusioned that we are humans or whatever.. But in reality we are form of him. We are powerful and have lot of power hidden in us. If we want, we can do anything. We are equal to him. No religion gives this power, Only Hinduism gives this power to human. When we worship any idol or anything, we are worshipping ourself. We are the universe and universe is within us. Our main goal is to meditate and break away from the sorrow and pains of world. Our main aim is not to go to heaven ( and F88k 7 virgin) but our aim is to liberate from our pains. Also, all men and women are equal (no like that men get 7 virgin and women get just food.. what a biased god). Also, our god said, whether you worship me or not. In end you will come to me.. That is the reason we don't care or want to convert others. Because in end everyone will get him. This is the main crux of hinduism. if you understand these things you can never never say anything bad about other religions... Hindu religion was truly democratic and the reason why there were many bad things was because.. we allowed people to act or find or believe in whatever they want. Also, we believe that life of animal is equal to human.. so logical...

 

someone said that hell is real if I worship idol or don't believe in their Allah or Jesus. I just say.. then f88k your god.. I like hell more than heaven, if god is biased. who don't accept logic. Who is stupid and make some random person messenger (who never believed or prayed to him..) instead of choosing many intelligent people (who wanted to find truth).. If god is like this, than F88K that god.. really F88k him... God is what logical, who is everywhere, he never distinguish between his kids, whether he is muslim, christian, hindu, sikhs, buddhist.. He just go for peace lovers, people who do good things. He never care whether you pray or not.. but whether you had good nature... He is so powerful that he can take any form. We are manifested from him.. If you cann't understand this than,, you have not understand what god is... Anyway.. take care and if you understand my point, never blame anyone.. Hindus never said that jesus/allah is false. they always said every path lead to god (which is logical). Also, in India, no messenger was killed.. we respected everyone.. While in your countries you always stop freedom and when that person died, you make him hero. What a pitty.. There is no heaven, there is no hell.. This world is the same.. If you do good things than you will die happily, but if you do bad things then you will die with pain... or in next birth.. So logical..

 

Mahabharata is the history of ancient India. It is not a fiction. A fiction can not give so much historical, geographical and socioeconomical details of a country. Most of the researches say that mahabharata war happened arround 900 BC.


Mahabharata has been written many times. The core of mahabharata is real. But there are some interpolations in original Mahabharata by later day authers. Myths were created to glorify some of the charectors during the period of puranas . I believe that details relating size of the army, weapons etc. were exaggerat. Descriptions showing a warrior consuming hundreds of arrows are also not real.


It is my assumption that mahabharata is story of struggle for throne between two cousins of kuru tribe of ancient India. Duryodhana had been trying to eliminate pandavas to become the king of Hastinapur and unrighteously ussurped Yudhishthira's kingdome.

 

Mahabharata, Ramayana , Geeta etc. All of them are real, non Hindus are trying to demoralized are moral and cultural values that's why they you will see lot of people asking facts about Hindus religious book. Ignore them first of all.
And my answer to this post is Who was Vyas who written Mahabharata.
he was son of Stayawati and Rishi Parashar , later Satyawati married King Shantanu and King Shantanu is from Mahabharata , there is lot of clarification that i can give you on this.

 

The events mentioned in Mahabharata did transpire, however not at the scale mentioned in it.

I agree with a comment above which indicates that as the story is told and re-told multiple times a lot of anecdotes have been exaggerated.

The people were normal people who quarreled and ultimately destroyed their own civilization.

 

hello,
first of all I am hindu, so all my hindu bro and sis, if you are not agree wth me you can scold me no worry...
Till now I had one qs in my head, is Mahabharata a fact or fiction, but after reading all these commnts now another qs is coming to my head, why there was a need to write this story, had not he have any other task, and if you say that Vyasa was an professioanl writer, then we got a portion of one answer he did this for money, and then the king who sponsored him must had an agreement with him that this kings name should be in the story. Again it could be so that the concept came to vyasa's mind and he ask for sponsorship from every king with a condition that there name would be appear in the story. I have n't read mahabharata but seen ramanada sagars epic serial... and if watch offcourse you get an idea of MHB.. it seems like there were someone is doing a sting operationa that every small issues were known to vyasa or seems like he fitted cameras everywhere to get live updates and recorded them in his notebook, to finally make the MHB... well, today I hv not enough time, will explain it later.. But last thing, in these days we believe everything by logic, but on those days people used to believe if something is told in the name of god.. so it was the best idea to spread/sell his idea in the name of god.. thats it

 

First thing is first, Hinduism is not a religion. It is a way of life. The Supreme Lord, Vishnu, incarnated as Krishna. Though he could have cut off all the Kauravas' heads with his powerful disc, he didn't do so because he wanted to teach mankind. Teaching mankind and showing them the right path is all that Hinduism is about. Coming to Shiva and Ganesha...Shiva is Almighty. He knows past, present, and future. But why didn't he magically bring Ganesha back to life? Because he WANTED TO TEACH MANKIND that discipline and obedience is the key to become One with God. You cannot just simply question the acts of God without seeking the inner meaning.

 

Please watch this link. Swami Chinmayananda explains what is a religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOTgiImVpbs

 

Hinduism leads all riligions...u admit it or not...always remind...^BAAP,BAAP HOTA HAI...

 

If its a fiction one cannot create so many chararcters and attach a perfect story to all the characters and behaviours. There is no way one way one can narrate such a huge story based on fiction unless it happened in real.

 

Dear Mr. Ganesh......
Do you exactly know what you have written or got just got your stupid fingures to get these bullshit done. What do mean by the statement that Vyasa doesn't have any other tasks and what the f**king work are you doing now????? Legends like Vyasa is not just born to do some silly work that you are doing just by getting a birth. He was a Guru who led millions to show a path of life. If at all Mahabharat is fiction, just see how that fiction is wriiten lively by putting so much efforts. Do you think you think you can just write a simple story at your own mind, you stupid f**king idiot. And you are telling that you are Hindu. Just go to hell and keep your f**king mouth shut.

 

After reading some of the articles, i understand that many of anonymous comments are not given by Hindu people. Those people trying to spoil hindu religion. They don't even know what happened in history.Some of the people talking about killing of Ganesh by Shiva and asking if shiva is god why can't he give ganesha life again and what is the necessity to cut elephant's head.Let me explain you the history of this. Lord siva cuts surya bhagavan's head when he did a mistake and whole world becomes dark. Surya Bhagavan's father gives saap to siva that you will feel the same pain like me when your kid's head cut by you. After that one elephat prays for the siva for some years and ask elephant to ask for varadhan. Elephant asks siva to keep always with him. As it is not possible to siva to be with him always, lord vishnu convinces and offer the elephant that you will be in kailash forever in future if you leave siva now. Elephat feels very happy for that and leaves siva. So, to make it happen above both incidents, siva cuts his son's head and asks indra to bring anyone's head which ever appears first in north side. Indra and nandhi go for search north side and find elephant first. Then they will cut the elephant's head with permission of elephant. As elephant is already showing enthusiasm to go to kailash, it will agree to cut head.

 

An anonymous asked about the time of Lord Krishna here.
Dwapara Yuga's period was 864000 years. It is followed by Kali Yuga which has a span of 432000 years that is half of Dwapara Yuga. Lord Vishnu's incarnation of Krishna was born in the very last years of Dwapara Yuga or in other words after Krishna's swargarohan, Dwapara Yuga completed it's period. It says that Lord Krishna avatar lived on this earth for 120 years ie at the time of Krishna's swargarohan, Lord Krishna was 120 years old on this earth. After Krishna's swargarohan Kaliyuga started and we are just into the first 5000 odd years of this Kaliyuga. So you know the truth that Lord Krishna walked upon the earth just 5000 years back and everything happened surrounding Lord Krishna dates back to just 5000 odd years and entire incidents during that period including MAHABHARATHA IS PURE HISTORY. Carbon dating method of calculating how old an object has found out that the remnants what archeological survey of India found undersea at coastal Gujarat near present day Dwaraka dates back to 5000 years exactly to Lord Krishna's time. Archeologists even found stone shell undersea which was Krihshna's royal symbol I believe and many other artifacts mentioned in Mahabharatha. One can search about Archeological Survey of India's finding at coastal Gujarat near Dwaraka to get more details on this. SO GUYS CAN STOP ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER LORD KRISHNA OR MAHABHARATHA WAS REAL OR NOT. SOMEONE WHO HAS COMMON SENSE AND CAN THINK LOGICALLY REACH AT A CONCLUSION EASILY. PREJUDICED MINDS WON'T AGREE AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH. THEY KNOW IT THEMSELVES WHAT THE TRUTH IS BUT NEVER ADMIT IT IN PUBLIC AND WILL CONTINUE TO SHOUT FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN WASTING THEIR LIFETIME, LIVING IGNORANT. LORD KRISHNA WAS TRUE, IS TRUE AND WILL BE THE ONLY TRUTH. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, ONLY ONE SUPER MASTER FOR ALL LIVING BEINGS. CERTAINLY THERE ARE MANY PATHS TO REACH HIM. AS HINDUISM TEACHES US ALL PATHS MEET AT ONE POINT TO MEET ONE SUPREME LORD. ***LIVE PEACEFULLY, WISELY. BELIEVE IN GOD. DO NOT CONDEMN OTHER RELIGIONS/ BELIEF SYSTEMS. HINDUISM IS NOT JUST A RELIGION, IT'S A WAY OF LIVING EVOLVED OVER THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS OF YEARS(WHEN WE CONSIDER EACH YUGA'S DURATION AND THE FACT THAT THE 4 YUGAS REPEAT AGAIN AND AGAIN. IT IS CYCLIC). WE HAVE MANY HOLY SCRIPTURES AND GURUS/ GOD'S MESSENGERS TO FOLLOW UP ON NOT JUST ONE. HINDUISM IS VAST AS UNIVERSE AND BEYOND. IT STILL SURVIVES BECAUSE MANKIND'S PAST WAS THERE AND THE FUTURE WILL ALSO BE. IDOL WORSHIP IS EVERYWHERE. IN CHRISTIANITY, THEY HAVE IDOLS OF JESUS, MOTHER MARY, OTHER SAINTS AND A CROSS. IF IT'S NOT IDOL WORSHIP WHAT'S THAT? MUSLIMS KEEP FRAMED PHOTOS OF MECCA IN THEIR HOUSES. THEY HAVE HIGH REGARD FOR IT. THEY SYMBOLIZES IT WITH ALLAH. THAT TOO IS A KIND OF IDOL WORSHIP. IDOL WORSHIP IS TO HELP EASE ONE'S THOUGHT TO CONCENTRATE UPON ONE SINGLE IDEA. IT IS FAR BETTER THAN CONCENTRATING ON SOMETHING BLANK. ONE CAN THINK/ CONCENTRATE ON IDEA ONLY IN THAT WAY. IF GOD IS ALL THAT POWERFUL WHY CAN'T HE TAKE FORMS? ONE WHO GIVE FORMS FOR EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE AND CONTROL EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE AT THE MERE THOUGHT/ WILL, DOES NOT HAVE A POWER TO ASSUME/ TAKE ANY FORM FOR HIMSELF? IT'S ABSOLUTE FOOLISHNESS IF YOU THINK IN THE NEGATIVE. ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ARE TOO YOUNG AND DESCENDANTS OF HINDUISM.THE MANY NON HINDUS WHO ARGUED HERE CAN FIND THEIR FORE FATHERS IN A HINDU. ARE YOU QUESTIONING YOUR LINEAGE? YOUR OWN CORE? YOUR OWN EXISTENCE? STOP BEING MENTALLY RETARDED LIVING BEINGS AND LIVE WISELY. THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU UTTER A WORD.***I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY AND MY HINDUISM. MANY INVADERS HAVE COME HERE IN THE PAST, MY COUNTRY HAS SURVIVED IT ALL AND IT STILL BREATHES WITH IT'S SOUL IN THE HEART AND IT WILL LIVE LONG FOR EVER .. FOR EVER AND FOR EVER BECAUSE THIS IS THE CENTER OF CULTURE, HUMANITY, WISDOM AND LIGHT FOR ALL LIVING BEINGS! LOKA SAMASTA SUKHINO BHAVANTU!!!!
JAI HIND!!!!!

 

I believe it is pointless to even argue without an unbiased investigation and research. Hindu scholars and the work of vyas have details on when what event happend and who did what and what was his or her lineage. This is done while recording history. The mentioned river saraswati, krishna's dwarika and lot of other declared myths have hardcore archaeological evidence today. Moreover the mahabharat has never been fully decoded in English till this day so how did the west reach its conclusions without even doing the complete decodings for research?

 

Anonymous,you are inconsiderately discriminating Hinduism.Bhagavat Geeta itself says that God can be found everywhere in the universe,even in a human.Temples built were places where God for sometime resided and a part of their divine souls still present there.Thats wh people seek blessings by worshipping in temples as they would acquire blessings from God.So please stop saying without the possessing the knowledge compared to zero/zilch.

 

Actually, let us assume its not a myth, But the recent dwaraka findings were exactly like the ones described in the mahabharatham. May be there is a different way of understanding it and we all are just stupids to get to the actual point.
There are different theories and each of them is interesting and to be frank the i think we are not thnking straight. We should twist our thoughts to know the truth behind every story told.

 

If Mahabharata is recited in homes, it brings prosperity and happiness. Some vested interests have spread a roumer that by reciting Mahabharata there will be fight in the house. Do not believe such talks and read Mahabharata and know your past.
Damodara Hemmige

 

Well u must go see ur self how Hinduism was formed . first of all Hindu means "black" and Hindustan means land of black people the word hindu has nnothing to do wid a religion . then the epics Ramayana nd mahabharatha were written in classical Sanskrit which was not even formed before 6th century AD . there are lots of proofs tht says so . All the 4 Vedas are real since they were written in vedic sanskrit which is much much older thn tht . But u have to knw one thing there was no one on the earth who could divide history into two that is BC - BEFORE CHRIST and AD - AFTER CHRIST so pls think before u speak. And we don't worship cross it is just a symbol of all the pain tht christ took for all of us . and about the sculptures not all of us worship them so ....
Anyway the ultimate truth will be revealed one day

 

No that god is his father in heaven the creator of this universe . even u don't knw wat u r talking about Jesus himself is not god he is the son of god u must read the old testament

 

First of all Jesus is not he is son of god here he refers to his father in heaven the creator of this universe read the old testament

 

Praise the lord... Rightly said brother....

 

Hello. First of all I would say your are simply half baked. Knowing facts simply half way. Your first point was about droupadi's wedding and saying that it's not applicable for present scenario. Thing is, Droupathi was not born. She came as 16 yrs old girl from agnikundam (fire ). There are proofs for Narada making a sensible agreement saying that she must be with one husband for an year and must go into agnipravesam and get a swaroopam which would suit the bheem or following husband of her. Droupadi was not born. Our dharmas are said for those who are inside the womb for ten months and born. She came up from fire and those niyamams doesn't suit her. Hope the first one is clear.

Secondly u spoke about ashwamedha yagnam. Those people had various dharma called Kshatriya dharmam. For them even drinking is allowed. I can explain. When a king is fighting in a war and he'll be in utmost pain. To get relieved from the pain they can drink. It's like giving anesthesia to the surgical patients in the current situation. Likewise performing these yagnas was there since the sanathana dharma started. The same holds good for rajasuya yagna too. Kshatriya dharma allows this. U can questions how we can have various types of dharma for various types of people. Yes I can say that, if u insert a knife on a person's body its not agreeable. Whereas the same knife if inserted by the doctor in the name of treatment we agree that. Likewise I said Kshatriya dharma.

 

i too believe that Ramayana and Mahabharata did really took place in history

 

U r a fucking idiot,nothing else